01.20.10 minutes

[anntyper]

here you go. the only way I can apparently upload any kind of documents is as a PDF. :confused:
either that, or this web service doesn't like docx extensions

[Binder]

Good morning all....Item number 5 describes the 17th work party as though this were a RTW function. When this work party was advertized it was done so as if it were not a RTW function. Is RTW now taking credit for this work party?

[anntyper]

Good morning all....Item number 5 describes the 17th work party as though this were a RTW function. When this work party was advertized it was done so as if it were not a RTW function. Is RTW now taking credit for this work party?

Rick, RTW is not taking CREDIT for the work party, it was just discussed as part of what was going on at reiter.

do you have a suggestion on how to better reflect that so it is not confusing?

[Binder]

do you have a suggestion on how to better reflect that so it is not confusing?

Sure..Maybe in the future something like this wouldn't be listed as the "vice presidents address" but maybe as "any other items".
The way it's listed it reads as though it was a RTW business venture.
Thanks for clearing that up.;)

[anntyper]

I'd like to point out the Vice President was the main organizer of the effort along with David Way. While it could be construed as a conflict of interest, it was by no means meant to do so. That was just what he had to report on as it regarded reiter.

[4xrick]

What is in my address as vice president is anything that I feel the need to talk about.
I was the main organizer for this work party along with David Way as stated by Ann,
Just because it was not a RTW sponsored event does not mean we don't discuss it. Anything that happens at Reiter will be brought up at RTW meetings; this is the point of RTW.
If I am majorly involved with any project going on at Reiter I feel as the VP I have a right to bring it up in my address, just as any kind of news or events happening at Reiter should be in the president or vise presidents address.

No one else seems to think this is out of the ordinary, I am a board member on 2 other associations and in clubs as well and this is the way an organized club/association works.
Rick let me ask you this: Why if you aren’t a member of RTW, are you particular about the meeting minutes? I don’t see anyone else having issues with the way I addressed things.

I am always open for suggestions if any RTW member thinks I should do things differently, I would think that I was elected into this role because people understand and like the way I handle things.

[Alan]

Hi All:

Thanks Ann for posting the meeting minutes! :)

Regards,

Alan



here you go. the only way I can apparently upload any kind of documents is as a PDF. :confused:
either that, or this web service doesn't like docx extensions

[Binder]

No one else seems to think this is out of the ordinary, You assume this because I happen to be the first to ask the question?

Rick let me ask you this: Why if you aren’t a member of RTW, are you particular about the meeting minutes?

I asked a specific question because it seemed as though when I asked this same question before the work party I got a different answer.
What many of you may not realize is there are many people who will not contribute to something like your work party if it's a RTW event. If in fact you were to say something wasn't a RTW event before in order to get people to help and find out later they were mislead that would further hurt RTW credibility.

[anntyper]

I asked a specific question because it seemed as though when I asked this same question before the work party I got a different answer.
What many of you may not realize is there are many people who will not contribute to something like your work party if it's a RTW event. If in fact you were to say something wasn't a RTW event before in order to get people to help and find out later they were mislead that would further hurt RTW credibility.

Rick (Binder) I'd like for you to help me better understand some of the statements you made above:

When you stated:
What many of you may not realize is there are many people who will not contribute to something like your work party if it's a RTW event.

I have the following questions:
Why specifically do folks NOT want to participate if something is solely an RTW Event. Are you able to provide examples to help me, (or the readers of this thread) better understand the mentality behind these peoples thought process, or simply the lack of participation based on RTW organizing something? - Do you have specific knowledge of individuals that will not work at Reiter based on RTW's organization of it, and the reasons surrounding that decision?

What would be the difference (from your collection of data - and please feel free to speak on behalf of others that you know of that hold this mentality), of RTW participating in an effort at Reiter that was not organized by RTW?

If in fact you were to say something wasn't a RTW event before in order to get people to help and find out later they were mislead that would further hurt RTW credibility.

Perhaps I missed the bus on this one, but why is RTW's Credibility in jeopardy from the public viewpoint, or for that matter a person, or persons viewpoint/opinion that you may have interacted with. Are you able to expand on this at all?


Rick (4xrick) is the Reiter Representative from WOW, and also happens to be the VP, from RTW. Based on these two factors, he has been in constant contact with David Way regarding matters at Reiter. So in essence as the VP I think it's perfectly within the boundaries to give a report of what had transpired at Reiter. But if I can, I would be happy to try and mitigate the minutes, except I reported what was covered under the VP address.

[4xrick]

Rick would you have not come if it was an RTW event?
How many people that did come do you think would not have come if it was a RTW event?
When we host the by-annual clean ups there is usually a couple hundred people who show up so I am confused as to why you think so many people hate RTW? Is it because you don’t agree with RTW that you think everyone else feels the same as you?
I believe RTW as a whole does all it can with good intentions for the good of reiter.

I know there are people out there who think that the closing of reiter is all rtw's fault but they are narrow minded and do not see all the work that we have put into reiter to keep it open, and now to re-open it. i am out at reiter busting my hump 2 to 3 days a week with david way and other dnr employees to get things to the point so we can take the next step in getting it re opened.

is anyone else who is not a part of rtw doing this?
I am not trying to brag on myself here more along the lines of showing the kind of commitment that people from rtw have to keep reiter as a place we can go play this means everyone in the wheeling community not just rtw members.

[Binder]

First off this isn't a attempt to try and "slam" anyone for anything. I got into this thread with a simple question which has led you guys to a bunch of questions for me. That's fine I'll try to answer but don't think I'm just here trying to stir drama.
I think there are many good people in RTW who want to help and often do. I also think the opposite is true and I'll just leave it at that.

Why specifically do folks NOT want to participate if something is solely an RTW Event. Are you able to provide examples to help me, (or the readers of this thread) better understand the mentality behind these peoples thought process, or simply the lack of participation based on RTW organizing something? - Do you have specific knowledge of individuals that will not work at Reiter based on RTW's organization of it, and the reasons surrounding that decision?
I won't throw others under the bus on this. If they want to chime in they can....I can however use myself as a example and to answer your question I probably would not have participated if it were a RTW event. I take it on a case by case basis. I can assure you I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
What would be the difference (from your collection of data - and please feel free to speak on behalf of others that you know of that hold this mentality), of RTW participating in an effort at Reiter that was not organized by RTW?
The difference is, is it a RTW event or just RTW people participating in someones event. Again I won't speak on behalf of others.
Perhaps I missed the bus on this one, but why is RTW's Credibility in jeopardy from the public viewpoint, or for that matter a person, or persons viewpoint/opinion that you may have interacted with. Are you able to expand on this at all?[/COLOR]
This one is simple and the basis of my original question in this thread. Before this work party I asked who was organizing it and was told it was Rick and David. Being the answer wasn't "RTW" I did my best to help. Now if RTW were to take credit for organizing this after the vice prez said otherwise then yeah there would have been a credibility issue there. This has been cleared up though.;)

[Binder]

How many people that did come do you think would not have come if it was a RTW event?I don't know
When we host the by-annual clean ups there is usually a couple hundred people who show up so I am confused as to why you think so many people hate RTW? Is it because you don’t agree with RTW that you think everyone else feels the same as you?
I believe RTW as a whole does all it can with good intentions for the good of reiter..
Again I'm not speaking on behalf of others but I know many others who feel more opposition than I. I at least come here and read what's going on. Many don't care enough to even do that.
I know there are people out there who think that the closing of reiter is all rtw's fault but they are narrow minded and do not see all the work that we have put into reiter to keep it open, and now to re-open it. i am out at reiter busting my hump 2 to 3 days a week with david way and other dnr employees to get things to the point so we can take the next step in getting it re opened.
is anyone else who is not a part of rtw doing this?
I am not trying to brag on myself here more along the lines of showing the kind of commitment that people from rtw have to keep reiter as a place we can go play this means everyone in the wheeling community not just rtw members.

If there are people who don't see all that RTW is doing then that's nobodys fault but RTW for not doing enough to get the word out. Good for you for getting out there and doing more than your part. You can't however hold that against anyone else if you don't try to get them to help you. When I spoke to David on the 17th it was right after he noticed that there was another water crossing that needed to be blocked. I volunteered to do it the following weekend but was told no. Then I read the next work party is late Feb which is what many others read. Do you know for a fact that people would not go back and help before the end of Feb?
Point being if you take initiative do do things on your own it's no reflection on others who aren't there.

[4xrick]

well I do appreciate the fact that you care about what is going on.
I also do agree that there are people out there who do not want anything to do with rtw and are totally against it but they need to open there eyes.

I know there has been issues between people and rtw in the past but there are also alot of people who know me and know I am not at all what people think the typical rtw member is like, I wheel hard and dont always do the best at treading lightly, I try my best but we all like to have fun.
I am doing my best at getting people to open there eyes to what we are trying to accomplish and realize there has been issues with rtw in the past and as the new vise president I plan on making people see what we are trually about.

I hope this makes you my perspective om things now.

also the reason the work party was going to be later in feb was because i am going to be out of town for 2 weeks in feb and a few key others as well but we are working around that now and it looks like the work party is going to happen on feb 13th. after i get back from KOH i am going to try to put something together about every 2 to 3 weeks.

[crash]

Thanks for getting up the meeting minutes ann ;)

[Nowires]

Thanks Ann, Great job