Equipment & Supplies needed to help DNR

[The Shocker]

Talking with David Way today he mentioned we might want to start loking for possibilities of using rail cars or tractor trailer decks for bridges. We also were tossing ideas of equipment as we watched BoxBoy use his Kubota to do what would have taken a dozen of us all day to do in just a couple hours. DNR has a Bobcat and thats it, no dumptruck, no trackhoe....nothing. He said they have some equipment with their road service dept at DNR but he has to pay a mileage fee for equipment and has to pay the workers overtime to bring it and run it. Just doesn't seem like a wise use of the limited funds. There are sometimes dump trailers and even just 2.5T trailers sold through the military surplus and could be something worth looking into.

http://www.govliquidation.com/index.html


We also discussed that approaching highway contractors like HOS Bros construction to see if they have anything surplus in their stock yard that we might get cheap or donated.

Just some ideas to look into and if anyone has contacts with a highway contractor or anywhere that has a smoking deal on something, please put it here.

[Alan]

Hi All:

David should be able to get a 1.5 ton surplus Army trailer from the DRMO at Fort Lewis. Govt. agencies can apply for military surplus equipment (Federal, State, County, municipal, etc, in that order.)

Does anyone know the ins and outs of a State agency requesting surplus gear from the DOD?

Regards,

Alan

[War-Jeeper]

Hi All:

David should be able to get a 1.5 ton surplus Army trailer from the DRMO at Fort Lewis. Govt. agencies can apply for military surplus equipment (Federal, State, County, municipal, etc, in that order.)

Does anyone know the ins and outs of a State agency requesting surplus gear from the DOD?

Regards,

Alan

Thats a good idea Allan, Would you have time to research it a little bit if nobody knows much about it?

[NateH]

Well I have a cdl class A with combination if we need some help getting stuff there but I am not that good at driving. I just do test drives at work.

[Alan]

Hi All:

Yeah Sam, I can look into that, but I was hoping someone on here might have a better idea of the process! ;)

Alan




Thats a good idea Allan, Would you have time to research it a little bit if nobody knows much about it?

[War-Jeeper]

Hi All:

Yeah Sam, I can look into that, but I was hoping someone on here might have a better idea of the process! ;)

Alan

Like i said if nobody voices up:)

[ChrisCo]

Is this equipment to be dedicated for Reiter? If yes, where will it be stored?

I like the trailer decks idea for the bridges... Any ideas yet on size required? What else is involved/required for using them as a bridge (framework/anchors/etc)?

As for materials hauling, how about a little dump trailer like the one shown in this thread:

http://www.pnw4wda.org/forums/showthread.php?p=6507

Looks like it'd be great for hauling small-ish loads around on trails, and it'd probably be a lot easier to maneuver than a 2.5T setup. I'm sure someone out here can slap one of those together fairly easily. I may even have some 6" C channel I can donate for it.

[The Shocker]

Is this equipment to be dedicated for Reiter? If yes, where will it be stored?

I like the trailer decks idea for the bridges... Any ideas yet on size required? What else is involved/required for using them as a bridge (framework/anchors/etc)?

As for materials hauling, how about a little dump trailer like the one shown in this thread:

http://www.pnw4wda.org/forums/showthread.php?p=6507

Looks like it'd be great for hauling small-ish loads around on trails, and it'd probably be a lot easier to maneuver than a 2.5T setup. I'm sure someone out here can slap one of those together fairly easily. I may even have some 6" C channel I can donate for it.

I'm not sure the logistics of where it would be kept or if David w/ DNR could store it. The problem is we need to be able to haul a fair amount of weight, I have a '80 Datsun truckbed trailer but it's a 1/2T. I don't think it will be of enough use as say this 1 1/2T would be.... http://www.govliquidation.com/aucimg/photos/19411/19410699.jpg


Maybe there is a way we could beef up the suspension on my trailer? Would the stock axle and tires then be the weak point?

[Tod701]

I'm not sure the logistics of where it would be kept or if David w/ DNR could store it.

DNR office in Wooley.
Not logistically convenient.
He might be able to store it short term with an RTW person living close to Reiter.

[Alan]

Hi All:

Yes, the lack of a dedicated DNR building in the general Reiter area is a problem. Perhaps David could get an agreement with a local agency, like SnoCo DOT, or the Sheriff's Office to allow parking of a few pieces of heavy equipment at their facilities in the Gold Bar/Reiter area?

Charlie, any thoughts on this idea?

Regards,

Alan



DNR office in Wooley.
Not logistically convenient.
He might be able to store it short term with an RTW person living close to Reiter.

[ChrisCo]

Maybe there is a way we could beef up the suspension on my trailer? Would the stock axle and tires then be the weak point?

It'd probably be easier/better to just get a real trailer axle.

DNR office in Wooley.
Not logistically convenient.
He might be able to store it short term with an RTW person living close to Reiter.

Agreed -- it's not very convenient, and it'd probably cost a small fortune to transport it from Wooley to Reiter and back on a regular basis.

I'd have concerns over having DNR property stored on a private individual's property. What happens if it gets stolen/vandalized?

Perhaps David could get an agreement with a local agency, like SnoCo DOT, or the Sheriff's Office to allow parking of a few pieces of heavy equipment at their facilities in the Gold Bar/Reiter area?


Good idea :)

[Binder]

Would it not be easier for one of us to just supply a trailer? This would get around all of the Gov red tape....
What about just a typical pickup box trailer? One could be bought for cheap and modified if need be.
What would be required to bid on one of those surplus trailers?
Is this something that is needed to get things moving?

[The Shocker]

Would it not be easier for one of us to just supply a trailer? This would get around all of the Gov red tape....
What about just a typical pickup box trailer? One could be bought for cheap and modified if need be.
What would be required to bid on one of those surplus trailers?
Is this something that is needed to get things moving?

Thats what I'm thinking as well. I'm thinking of bidding on a 1.5T surplus trailer and just "Donate" it's use for when needed.

[Nowires]

Been playing with a lot of ideas for bridges and also material transport. The semi trailer, Dave and I thought it might be hard to get that approved threw DNR, Also all bridges have to be wood planked acording to David Also taking all codes as far as railings I think it is going to take a lot of thought
As far as the material hauler I think pulling a trailer full of a yard of rock down a trail will need some serious thought. 4000 pounds of trailer over rocks and stuff will be a hard pull on a lot of the trails. unless we can come up with a power asist for the trailer. Also watch the center of gravity on the trailer for it doesn't roll when going down a trail. My personal opinion is by the time we get a trail safe enough to pull the trailer down, We might as well pave it

[Alan]

Hi All:

I'm doing some research as to what is involved for David (Reiter Foothills DNR Mgr.) to request surplus military equipment from the DRMO.

Regards,

Alan

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Thats what I'm thinking as well. I'm thinking of bidding on a 1.5T surplus trailer and just "Donate" it's use for when needed.

[Binder]

As far as the material hauler I think pulling a trailer full of a yard of rock down a trail will need some serious thought. 4000 pounds of trailer over rocks and stuff will be a hard pull on a lot of the trails. unless we can come up with a power asist for the trailer. Also watch the center of gravity on the trailer for it doesn't roll when going down a trail. My personal opinion is by the time we get a trail safe enough to pull the trailer down, We might as well pave it

Well it definately wouldn't be real easy to pull a trailer down a trail but from what I see this would be mostly used to repair existing trails. Most of those are prety well paved..COG is important too. That's why I think a wider trailer would work better as you wouldn't have to fill it as high for a given amount of material.
For the most part I think it's doable minus a few badly torn up spots so fix them as you go...
BTW I know of a rig with deep gearing and with water filled 42" swampers could probably pull a trailer fairly well.;)
First thing needed is a plan on what to fix.

[War-Jeeper]

Well it definately wouldn't be real easy to pull a trailer down a trail but from what I see this would be mostly used to repair existing trails. Most of those are prety well paved..COG is important too. That's why I think a wider trailer would work better as you wouldn't have to fill it as high for a given amount of material.
For the most part I think it's doable minus a few badly torn up spots so fix them as you go...
BTW I know of a rig with deep gearing and with water filled 42" swampers could probably pull a trailer fairly well.;)
First thing needed is a plan on what to fix.


Thats the key right there, we need a plan before starting anything really

[Nowires]

Thats the key right there, we need a plan before starting anything really

I can't agree more
Also watch on here for DNR surplus stuff.
http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/

[4xrick]

Thats what I'm thinking as well. I'm thinking of bidding on a 1.5T surplus trailer and just "Donate" it's use for when needed.

i was kinda thinking the same thing maybe we should get together and see what we can figure out.

[Binder]

There are sometimes dump trailers and even just 2.5T trailers sold through the military surplus and could be something worth looking into.

The more I think about it the more I think I may just pick one of these up. I could use one around here...

[4xrick]

well if the dnr had a trailer or if we built one for rtw i would be willing to store it and can put it behind a gate in the back yard and not worry about it getting touched by anyone.
I have hauled trailers behind my rig before with materials and such in it,neve 4000 lbs worth but its easier to make 2 trips with 2000 so thats the way i would go. it also depends on how complicated the trail is that we are going to be working on.

[Alan]

Hi All:

I forwarded to David on Monday some info I got from the DRMO regarding how a State agency can request surplus Federal equipment.

Regards,

Alan

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I can't agree more
Also watch on here for DNR surplus stuff.
http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/

[Nowires]

http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/#

Here is a trailer

[Nowires]

Year: 1984
Make: Chevrolet
Model: M1008/D30
Vin: 1GCGD34J7EF300372

MILEAGE: 51373

1984 CHEVROLET M1008/D30 TRUCK, 1-1/4 TON, 8 CYL, 4X4, AT, 6.2L, ODOMETER READS 51,373, TRUE/ACTUAL MILEAGE UNKNOWN. (1204H1-7296-WA01) REPAIRS NEEDED: INOPERABLE. NEEDS BATTERY, BODY DAMAGE, POOR TIRES. FOR INSPECTION & REMOVAL, PLEASE CALL WAYNE TROSPER, 509-250-2348 OR E-MAIL TROSPER@GORGE.NET.


Or we could get a truck like this one and put a dump box on it

[Binder]

Be careful as on many of those government auctions if the item is sold as "scrap", "parts", "non road worthy", etc often they will not give you a title for it. Best to check before you buy......I bought myself a 1-1/2 ton trailer last week for $170.;)

[The Shocker]

Be careful as on many of those government auctions if the item is sold as "scrap", "parts", "non road worthy", etc often they will not give you a title for it. Best to check before you buy......I bought myself a 1-1/2 ton trailer last week for $170.;)

Nice. I was going to bid on that one or the one that was up to $220 but thought it would suck to be in a bidding war. And my wife says I have to get rid of my lil datsun trailer before bringing another one home. :(

[Binder]

Nice. I was going to bid on that one or the one that was up to $220 but thought it would suck to be in a bidding war. And my wife says I have to get rid of my lil datsun trailer before bringing another one home. :(

There were 6 or 8 of them up for auction and I think only 3 or 4 sold so the rest will probably be back up soon I would think. Stephanie was not real hot on the idea either until I pointed out the yard projects it could be used for next summer.;)

[4xrick]

Be careful as on many of those government auctions if the item is sold as "scrap", "parts", "non road worthy", etc often they will not give you a title for it. Best to check before you buy......I bought myself a 1-1/2 ton trailer last week for $170.;)

I have bought a few rigs from government auctions and always gotten a title. then cannot hand over a vehicle without giving some sort of title.
sometimes it will be a scrap title but they usually have that on the listing.

[98ZJ4X4]

Couple other things you might think about:

If the trailer/truck was owned by RTW not just a member of RTW, there is an RV Storage Yard in Gold Bar. Someone could go and talk to them and see if they would donate to RTW a storage spot for said trailer or truck.

If could be a tax write off for them if RTW ever gets its Non-Profit Filings done and approved.

The place I am talking about is right on Highway 2 and it is far far from full.

Another thought would be asking the Gold Bar Nature Trails if a RTW Trailer/Truck could be stored at their location.

I think the 4x4 truck with a dump bed installed would be the best bet for the bucks. Recall that UncleStripy on NWW offered his jeep pickup that has a dump bed on it already. Maybe he would sell it to RTW and the missing drive shaft and some other minor thing as I recall could be installed.

Any other thoughts along this line?

Should be able to come up with something with out causing any inconvenience to anyone.

[Tod701]

If the trailer/truck was owned by RTW not just a member of RTW, there is an RV Storage Yard in Gold Bar.

Hopefully folks don't get that picky.
If its an RTW piece of gear, the name on the title shouldn't be a big issue.

[98ZJ4X4]

Hopefully folks don't get that picky.
If its an RTW piece of gear, the name on the title shouldn't be a big issue.

Well there is a difference between a person owning an item and allowing its use for work at Reiter and an item owned by RTW that is only used for work at Reiter.

I am sorry if you can not see the difference, but there is one when you are asking for a donation and I don't see it as being picky in any way.

[Tod701]

Well there is a difference between a person owning an item and allowing its use for work at Reiter and an item owned by RTW that is only used for work at Reiter.

I am sorry if you can not see the difference, but there is one when you are asking for a donation and I don't see it as being picky in any way.

Another solution for RTW to enter into a no cost lease agreement with the legal owner.

[Binder]

FYI there's 42 of the 3/4 ton utility military trailers going to auction starting the 15 of Dec. Price starts at $150 and with that many of them a guy should have no problem getting one (or 5;)) for $150. After taxes and auction fees etc it will cost about $300 or so.

[4xrick]

Rick, being that i am not the best of looking all this stuff up on line do you have a link to the auction? depending on what happens with my employment issue in the near feature, I may just look into buying one and rtw can use it for whatever needs. and it will also come in handy as a yard tool around the property here and my kirkland house.

[Binder]

http://www.govliquidation.com/index.html
It's the same link Neil posted the other day....These are the more sought after of the mil trailers. If a guy wanted to he could even buy a few and resale for a couple bucks....I bought the 1-1/2 ton the last auction and I think I'll get one of these 3/4 ton now. Choose which one I want to keep and sell the other.

[4xrick]

thanks.
how much did y0u end up paying for the 1 1/2 ton?

[Binder]

thanks.
how much did y0u end up paying for the 1 1/2 ton?

$170.....Still trying to cut through all the red tape. :rolleyes:

[The Shocker]

$170.....Still trying to cut through all the red tape. :rolleyes:


Are you coming to the meeting tonight? I want to talk to you about these. :D

[Binder]

Are you coming to the meeting tonight? I want to talk to you about these. :D

No.... You can call me about the trailers if you want. I'll PM you my number.

[crash]

$170.....Still trying to cut through all the red tape. :rolleyes:

Keep cutting ;)

[4xrick]

thats one bad thing about goverment stuff since 9-11 it use to be so easy to buy it simply have your id and go pick it up.
now its a huge pain. i bid on a couple things we will see what happens.

[Boxboy]

are those dump trailers or fixed?

[4xrick]

fixed

[Binder]

are those dump trailers or fixed?


I'm likely going to make one into a dump.

[Boxboy]

I'm likely going to make one into a dump.

bring the thang over to me i'll build the dump for you.