Conflict of Interest & Compenstation

[98ZJ4X4]

The remaining posts have been moved from the Meeting Thread as the discussion was not related the December Meeting.

[jobless]

Charlie is an RTW Member. It is also my understanding that at one time and maybe still, Charlie was planning to bid on the Trail Planner/Consultant Position when it was put out for bids.

This is the reason I believe that he has not and will not at this time release work he has accomplished in this area. I think you can understand that, I know I can.

As for the other points you are bring up Brad, I like them and hope they can be answered. I can not answer them as I am not an Officer of RTW and that is what it will take to answer some of the issues you have brought up.

Please keep in mind also that RTW is in a state of flux at this time with upcoming election of Officers, Completing a set of By-Laws and making final submissions for Incorporation as a Non-Profit Organization.

Yes All this stuff is hitting at the same time all the DNR Action regarding Reiter is and it is a very big plate full to juggle and keep all bases covered properly and is unfortunate, but reality.


State of flux? I'm sorry to point this out, but it seems the RTW has been in this state since it was created. Is there an end planned to this state any time soon so that something constructive can happen?

[jobless]

Charlie is an RTW Member. It is also my understanding that at one time and maybe still, Charlie was planning to bid on the Trail Planner/Consultant Position when it was put out for bids.

This is the reason I believe that he has not and will not at this time release work he has accomplished in this area. I think you can understand that, I know I can.

That's called a conflict of interest in corporate america...

[War-Jeeper]

That's called a conflict of interest in corporate america...


I agree, and also wonder why he thinks that he should be compinsated for his time? when the rest of us do the voluntarily.......

[War-Jeeper]

And im not in anyway saying i dont want somebody from the community being the trail builder/designer but i feel like if he does get the bid maybe all the money should get donated right back into the area just my .02 cents

[jobless]

And im not in anyway saying i dont want somebody from the community being the trail builder/designer but i feel like if he does get the bid maybe all the money should get donated right back into the area just my .02 cents

The DNR is willing to pay for this, I don't necessarily agree with it, but what the hell, everyone should have a chance to apply if they think they have the right skill set.

[98ZJ4X4]

I agree, and also wonder why he thinks that he should be compinsated for his time? when the rest of us do the voluntarily.......

I have not seen anything or heard any thing about him asking for Compensation for what he has done, and I know he has spent a lot of hours and effort.

DNR is putting a job out for Bid, and he has stated that he would like to submit a bid, and then if he was successful and had the contract awarded to him, he should be compensated just like any other person or company would be.

The issue of a "Conflict of Interest" is not cut and dried in my book, but I will agree that it may be the case, but it also may not be and none of us know enough to make that call at this time and may never know enough.

Oh yes, if he is awarded the contract, I can not believe anyone would expect him to give the payment he would receive to RTW or anyone else but his personal bank account.

[Binder]

If anyone is unclear on the conflict of interest I'm sure the other user groups will be fast to point it out if/ when he wins the contract....Whatever, it's not my business.

[War-Jeeper]

I have not seen anything or heard any thing about him asking for Compensation for what he has done, and I know he has spent a lot of hours and effort.

DNR is putting a job out for Bid, and he has stated that he would like to submit a bid, and then if he was successful and had the contract awarded to him, he should be compensated just like any other person or company would be.

The issue of a "Conflict of Interest" is not cut and dried in my book, but I will agree that it may be the case, but it also may not be and none of us know enough to make that call at this time and may never know enough.

Oh yes, if he is awarded the contract, I can not believe anyone would expect him to give the payment he would receive to RTW or anyone else but his personal bank account.



Well im not ok with the fact that a lot of us have put in a lot more hours than him over the years and have excpected nothing out of it and if he thinks that just because he has put in all these hard hours that he should get money for it im not ok with that one bit

[War-Jeeper]

but like binder said i guess its none of my buisness really so i guess i will shut up, im just burnt out and pissed off lately

[Binder]

I didn't say it's none of your business Sam. I said it's none of my business as I'm not a RTW member....Any way you look at it I don't think what (I think) Charlie has been working on is a bad thing I'm just not sure how it could be used without bringing up other issues..

[War-Jeeper]

I didn't say it's none of your business Sam. I said it's none of my business as I'm not a RTW member....Any way you look at it I don't think what (I think) Charlie has been working on is a bad thing I'm just not sure how it could be used without bringing up other issues..


i totally agree with you on that one Rick

[98ZJ4X4]

Well im not ok with the fact that a lot of us have put in a lot more hours than him over the years and have excpected nothing out of it and if he thinks that just because he has put in all these hard hours that he should get money for it im not ok with that one bit

Sam,

The amount of hours you, I or anyone has put in is then the question and is not what you appear to be addressing here.

As I stated before I have not seen or heard a single word about Charlie expecting to be compensated for the hours he has spent looking at possible trail areas. That was something he did on his own, just like the Hours you have put in for various things at Reiter over the years.

But if Charlie (and it is a big IF) happened to be awarded the contract from DNR, then he will be and should be compensated as per the terms of the contract for the work that he does. Now if he is able to use some or even all of the work he has accomplished up to this point in time, more power to him, but he will not directly be compensated for that work or those hours, so you whole point is pointless to the issue as there is and never will be an issue on compensation for past performance.

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Sam,

The amount of hours you, I or anyone has put in is then the question and is not what you appear to be addressing here.

As I stated before I have not seen or heard a single word about Charlie expecting to be compensated for the hours he has spent looking at possible trail areas. That was something he did on his own, just like the Hours you have put in for various things at Reiter over the years.

But if Charlie (and it is a big IF) happened to be awarded the contract from DNR, then he will be and should be compensated as per the terms of the contract for the work that he does. Now if he is able to use some or even all of the work he has accomplished up to this point in time, more power to him, but he will not directly be compensated for that work or those hours, so you whole point is pointless to the issue as there is and never will be an issue on compensation for past performance.

there are conversations that have been had that you dont know about and i know for a fact he put him in a postion to make money on purpose
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ok so this has turned into a charlie bashing thread im done contributing to this conversation
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(This was the last two posts in the other thread.)

[jobless]

I don't think anyone is bashing Charlie, a question came up in regrads to what an RTW Member was doing at Reiter, plain & simple.

As a Member of an organization designed to preserve & protect Reiter it seems to me that any work that an RTW Member is doing in regards to Reiter should be made available to the public via this site.

But that's just my opinion.

[crash]

Here is my feeling.

I don't think its a conflict of interest at all. Whatever charlie has done or will do is in regards to helping the situation more than hurting IMO. If he is able to get a contract out of it and make some $$ then so be it...

[Binder]

Just for reference for this discussion.

A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.

A conflict of interest can only exist if a person or testimony is entrusted with some impartiality; a modicum of trust is necessary to create it. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety. Therefore, a conflict of interest can be discovered and voluntarily defused before any corruption occurs.

[crash]

From my prospective there is no conflict of interest

A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.

Weather charlie gets the contract or not---the outcome will be the same from how I see it....

[Binder]

The conflict of interest would exists because the person hired to be impartial and design trails for ALL USERS has a partial interest in 4WD vehicles/ trails. I'm not saying Charlie would be partial as I don't know but the potential is there. I can assure you the bike community would be all over this.

[crash]

The conflict of interest would exists because the person hired to be impartial and design trails for ALL USERS has a partial interest in 4WD vehicles/ trails. I'm not saying Charlie would be partial as I don't know but the potential is there. I can assure you the bike community would be all over this.

That aspect I could see rick and understand how the potential for it. But it should not be an issue :cool:

[4xrick]

I see a pretty simple solution to all this conflict of interest stuff.

charlie go buy a bike.....:D:D:D

[98ZJ4X4]

Yes I can see where some could say there was a conflict of Interest, In their eyes, but that does not make it so.

Charlie was not a member of RTW, when he was out walking the landscape and thinking of how and where new trails might be possible. He was not doing it at the direction of, or for RTW as I understand it, but he was using forethought and seeing the possibility that he could make some money from his efforts.

Great, that is what America is all about, seeing a need and finding a way to fill it.

Unless I am totally mistaken, RTW was never intended to be a 4X4 Only Organization. It was formed as I understand it to represent all user groups at Reiter, not just the 4x4 Users. I understand the 4x4 users were the driving force behind it, but never with the intent to exclude any other user group.

People in and associated with RTW are currently making attempts to mend fences with other user groups and bring all together and I commend them on their efforts in that area as we need to be a united organization to really have any influence on the future of ORV's at Reiter.

I think everyone should step back from history, including personal history and come together to make as strong an organization as we can to represent the combined Users of Reiter. I see examples in other areas, so it should be able to work at Reiter as well.

[Binder]

I wouldn't wory too much about this conflict of interest thing. It is what it is and not much can be done about it at this point. The DNR may seem dumb to some people but as a whole they aren't. They will likely pick up on this all on their own and award the contract to someone who is more neutral. Here's a legal definition of conflict of interest..A conflict between a person's private interests and public obligations.
In the scenario we've been talking about this clearly exists and would be plenty for other user groups to file suit if they wish to get the contract re awarded.
...I would be highly suprised if Charlie got the bid but more power too him if he does.

[jobless]

As Rick pointed out the legal definition, it couldn't be more obvious. What you are all failing to see are the possible negative implications of the two (job/income and RTW Membership) combined.

Please, take the blinders off, step back, and take a look at the bigger picture.

I'm not saying anything bad or negative will happen, but the opportunity exists where it doesn't necessarily need to as it can be mitigated rather easily.

It's called risk management...if the RTW was a 501C3 org this would be a much bigger issue...

[Tod701]

Looking from the outside, it sound like Charlie getting the consulting job would be a good thing.

I would much rather have a pro-4x4 guy that already knows Reiter on the job, than some "neutral" outsider.

Conflict of interest should not be a problem unless outright bias is identified.
The NMA has members working ORV management and enforcement jobs for years without any problems. Smart land managers like having staff that knows the issues.

Concerning bikers pitching a fit, the NMA would only have problems if it looked like single track trail potential was getting the short end of the deal.
Otherwise this could benefit all ORV users.

[mong00se]

The DNR is willing to pay for this, I don't necessarily agree with it, but what the hell, everyone should have a chance to apply if they think they have the right skill set.

I am new to this forum, so I do not know everything that's happening other than Reiter and other ORV, Race Tracks, etc are looking to become closed for one reason or another.

We live in a society in which very few volunteer for their time for the masses only a few of them have the time and ability to even do more.

My.02 worth on the conflict of interest . As I read it looks to be clear that unless knowone else bids/applies for this position DNR is willing to pay for there is be no room for whining or complaining. If the opportunity presents itself, either step take the bull by the horns otherwise quit complaining.

[The Shocker]

So Charlie, what happened? DNR's list of people who applied doesn't even have your name on it. Were you not able to get credentials to bid on it?

[Nowires]

So Charlie, what happened? DNR's list of people who applied doesn't even have your name on it. Were you not able to get credentials to bid on it?
Yep but ow well there is next time. they have my info and I am willing to help them in any way that I can to get it open. We will see what they come up with. I think they will do a great job for all