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crash
10-21-2009, 04:18 PM
I thought this was interesting and thought I would share. As some know I have been involved with land type stuff with reiter since around 00' (ya long time). Well for a long time a few have always blamed RTW for "bringing the DNR" into reiter--for those who know that has never been the case.

Well here is where things started to change for reiter. Since the dawn of time reiter was never zoned for motorized use. I am not sure how that played in the part of the DNR turning a blind eye for years but I am guessing it must have--and the fact it was well known for a play area.

Well the ORV committee that met at everett powersports had been pushing for a number of years (back to 00' that I can recall) to get the zoneing changed--so they could carry on with there efforst to turn it into an official ORV park. Back in those days they also had the DNR involved and worked closely with them doing there trail prodjects both in the basin and reiter.

Well lets skip to december 05' Here is where things stated to change.

Received this email from the CLOUT system:
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On behalf of the Stumpjumpers Motorcycle (http://www.reitertrailwatch.com/forum/#) Club and the Snohomish County ORV Committee I want to thank everyone who took the time to contact Executive Aaron Reardon about the ORV legislation and Reiter Trails. Your activism won the victory we wanted with Snohomish County! This is just the first step, there is still a long way to go!

Where we are: The County has determined that an ORV area can be developed in the Forest zone as a public park. The DNR land at Reiter Trails is currently zoned "Forest". This means the DNR now has the zoning required to develop an ORV area at Reiter. DNR officials are now looking into issues involved with developing an ORV area at Reiter. The DNR wants to partner with Snohomish County in running/managing Reiter Trails ORV area. I am in contact with the County to get that ball rolling.

What to do: It is very important that ORV users unite. We need to be organized and involved. We are loosing more and more riding areas, most recently the P5000 and North Fork areas. The anti-ORV forces are strong, they are well funded and organized. They continue to push for the elimination of motorized recreation. Dave Hiatt has started an email system called CLOUT (Constituent Legislative Online User Target). We need every person involved in OHV use in this state to email their name and their zip code to clout@hpgmc.com (clout@hpgmc.com) with the word CLOUT in the subject line. The CLOUT system only notifies you when your personal legislator(s) are very soon going to be involved in hearing something that affects OHV use in WA State (so you won't get bombarded with email everyday). The CLOUT email message also gives you a link you can click on to get your message to your legislator in a manner that informs them with a 99% level of certainty that you are one of their constituents. Less than a dozen messages like that to a legislator can make the difference between winning and losing.

There will be more “Call to Action” emails to make Reiter Trails ORV area a reality. We will be using the CLOUT system to get the word out.

Please email clout@hpgmc.com (clout@hpgmc.com) today with your name and zip code. Your involvement make’s a difference, if not you, who?

Sincerely,
Rick Rice


So once the zoning was changed the county started putting pressure on the DNR(from what I can remember) and thats when we started seeing the DNR presence at reiter--and thats about the time we started working with them. So you can then skip to 07' when the ORV committe forn the DNR was etsablished.

SO you can kinda see some history of what was--thought I would share it with you...

98ZJ4X4
10-21-2009, 06:37 PM
Thanks Crash, that was and is a very good read and should open a few eyes on this subject.

I did not know the background, but I have heard lots of comments since I got involved with Wheeling that RTW was to blame for the changes and notice being taken. This throws that into a cocked hat and shows it is not the truth. I think this would also be good to post on NWW and maybe you have while I have been here reading it.

I know for a fact that my son and one of the kids down the street used to go to Reiter and ride their trail bikes and that was over 20 years ago, so motorized use has been there a LONG LONG time.

crash
10-21-2009, 06:55 PM
Thanks Crash, that was and is a very good read and should open a few eyes on this subject.

I did not know the background, but I have heard lots of comments since I got involved with Wheeling that RTW was to blame for the changes and notice being taken. This throws that into a cocked hat and shows it is not the truth. I think this would also be good to post on NWW and maybe you have while I have been here reading it.

I know for a fact that my son and one of the kids down the street used to go to Reiter and ride their trail bikes and that was over 20 years ago, so motorized use has been there a LONG LONG time.

Ya there has always been some that used the blame RTW thing and I had always stated that was indeed not true. We never brought the DNR into the picture but only worked with them.

Tod701
10-24-2009, 08:06 AM
Ya there has always been some that used the blame RTW thing and I had always stated that was indeed not true. We never brought the DNR into the picture but only worked with them.

RTW has been a positive infuence on the Reiter situation.

Without your efforts (and the Stumpjumper m/c) it would have been very easy for the DNR to have shut it down long ago since offroading there has always been technically illegal. (see the pre-2008 version of Washington Administrative Code WAC 332)

4xrick
10-25-2009, 09:46 PM
I think a lot of people are way misinformed about a lot of things and unfortunately form an opinion based off what they hear from others who are also misinformed. People jump to conclusions without getting all the facts with everything in life and this is just one of those things.
people should do their research before judging but unfortunately they do not these days.

Binder
11-06-2009, 04:55 PM
The truth of the matter is this stuff had been going on for some time before that letter. The letter was just a formality and RTW was involved before the letter which was Dec of 05......What some of you guys need to remember is some of us were there back then, not just reading about it on the internet. Yes Davies was a royal PITA back then there's no doubt. One of the RTWs goals in the beginning was to try to get Reiter ORV status even before this letter. Sure the bikers were working against us but that doesn't excuse RTW from trying to race them over the side of the cliff.;)
Here's (https://www.snort4x4.com/~snortfou/forum/showthread.php?t=24474) some interesting reading about your ORV history.

crash
11-06-2009, 06:00 PM
The truth of the matter is this stuff had been going on for some time before that letter. The letter was just a formality and RTW was involved before the letter which was Dec of 05......What some of you guys need to remember is some of us were there back then, not just reading about it on the internet. Yes Davies was a royal PITA back then there's no doubt. One of the RTWs goals in the beginning was to try to get Reiter ORV status even before this letter. Sure the bikers were working against us but that doesn't excuse RTW from trying to race them over the side of the cliff.;)
Here's (https://www.snort4x4.com/~snortfou/forum/showthread.php?t=24474) some interesting reading about your ORV history.

As I stated over on the NWW--our goal was never to try for any type of ORV status. In fact mark (comet) who was president for I believe the first 2 years always stated our goal was never to push for any type of ORV status and everybody agreed. So do you have any proof to your actuations besides your own opinion?

As for trying to drive "the bikers" off any cliff--that was never our intenion. And in fact we are working torwards building a relationship with them to aid them in any way we can.

As for going over to the snort site--no thanks.

Binder
11-06-2009, 06:55 PM
As I stated over on the NWW--our goal was never to try for any type of ORV status. In fact mark (comet) who was president for I believe the first 2 years always stated our goal was never to push for any type of ORV status and everybody agreed. So do you have any proof to your actuations besides your own opinion?

As for trying to drive "the bikers" off any cliff--that was never our intenion. And in fact we are working torwards building a relationship with them to aid them in any way we can.

As for going over to the snort site--no thanks.

Like I wrote on your site the meaning behind my post is to clarify that what you wrote was not true. This is not where it all started.....And read again. I didn't write anything about driving the bikers off any cliff.
I don't care if you go to snort the link is for other peoples benefit. You know, the ones you're trying to give a history lesson.;)